This is one of a series of dialogues between J Krishnamurti, David Bohm, Rupert Sheldrake and John Hidley. The purpose of these discussions is to explore essential questions about the mind: what is psychological disorder and what is required for fundamental psychological change.
J Krishnamurti is a religious philosopher, author and educator who has written and given lectures on these subjects for many years. He has founded elementary and secondary schools in the United States, England and India.
David Bohm is professor of theoretical physics at Birkbeck College, London University in England. He has written numerous books concerning theoretical physics and the nature of consciousness. Professor Bohm and Mr Krishnamurti have held previous dialogues on many subjects.
Rupert Sheldrake is a biologist whose popular book proposes that learning in some members of a species affects the species as a whole. Dr Sheldrake is presently consulting plant physiologist to the International Crops Research Institute in Hyderabad, India.
John Hidley is a psychiatrist in private practice who has been associated with the Krishnamurti school in Ojai, California for the past six years.
Excerpt from this Talks
What is security?
I have an image about myself. I am a great cook, a great scientist, a great carpenter, whatever you will. I have got that picture in myself and you come along and put a pin into it. And that gets hurt, the image gets hurt. The image is me.
What is a human being?
You are not basically different from me. You may be tall, you may be born in England, I may be born in Africa, I have dark skin, but deep down, the river, the content of the river is the water. The river is not an Asiatic river or European river, it is a river.
Love is not English, American or Indian. Agony is not yours or mine, it is agony. But we identify ourselves with agony – it is my agony, which is not yours.
Why do we want to identify with something?
Is there a learning about oneself which is not constant accumulation about myself?..”
Border staff ‘let in terror suspects’ ahead of Olympics
Terror suspects are entering the UK ahead of the Olympics because inexperienced border staff are failing to carry out the proper security checks, front line Heathrow officials have claimed.
Border officials are instructed immediately to alert counter-terrorism police or MI5 if they suspect an “SX traveller” is attempting to enter the UK Photo: Rex
9:56AM BST 15 Jul 2012
The new staff, who have been recruited to shorten queues at Britain’s largest airport in the run up to the Games, are repeatedly “missing” passengers on the Home Office watch list who should be referred to counter-terrorism officers when they reach passport control, a senior border officer told the Observer.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the UK Border Agency official claimed three terror suspects had been waved through by staff on his shifts since the start of July.
All were registered on the Home Office suspect index system.
Another employee alleged that staff had missed five suspects in just one day earlier this month.
The senior official told The Observer: “The missing of counter-terrorism ‘hits’ is a huge thing, but new recruits are not getting enough time to be taught.
“It is vital these people do not get in without being noted and that the information is passed to the police or security services. Once they’re in, you’ve no idea where they might be going.”
Border officials are instructed immediately to alert counter-terrorism police or MI5 if they suspect an “SX traveller” is attempting to enter the UK.
But a large number of Home Office officials have been drafted in from different departments to help cope with border staffing shortages before the Olympics.
Those working on passport desks have received just basic training with some only getting a day’s tuition instead of the standard six to eight weeks, according to The Observer.
A Border Force spokesman said: “An independent inspection published last week concluded that all staff were fully aware of the checks they needed to conduct and that all checks were being completed.
“It also acknowledged the positive addition of hundreds of extra staff deployed to meet demand, the creation of a central control room to manage resources and ongoing recruitment of more border officers.
“All contingency staff deployed to the border are fully trained and supported by experienced Border Force officers at all times.
“Border Force has already delivered real improvements at Heathrow and is transforming the way it works to deliver improved waiting times and a secure border.”
Olympic Security Military Takeover
Security for the 2012 Summer Olympics is being provided by several arms of the security forces of the United Kingdom. The security operation is led by the police, with 10,000 officers available, supported by 13,500 members of the armed forces. Naval and air assets, including ships situated in the Thames, Eurofighter jets and surface-to-air missiles, will be deployed as part of the security operation. The cost of security has also increased from 282m to 553m pounds sterling. This will be the biggest security operation Britain has faced for decades. The figure of 13,500 armed forces personnel is more than Britain currently has deployed in Afghanistan. The Metropolitan Police and the Royal Marines performed security exercises in preparation for the Olympics on 19 January 2012, with 50 marine police officers in rigid inflatables and fast response boats, joined by up to 100 military personnel and a Lynx Navy helicopter.
Air defences
Of particular note are the air defences around the Olympic stadium. There are six potential six missile sites, using a mixture of systems, however, the government has not yet decided to deploy ground-based air defence systems during the Games. The sites are at:
Rapier missile site, Blackheath Common.
Rapier missile site, Oxleas Wood, Eltham.
Rapier missile site, William Girling Reservoir, Enfield.
Rapier missile site, Barn Hill in Epping Forest.
Starstreak missile site, Lexington Building, Fairfield Road, in Tower Hamlets.
Starstreak missile site, Fred Wigg Tower in Waltham Forest, east London.
The defences were tested in a large training exercise during 2–10 May 2012, known as Exercise Olympic Guardian, which preceded the operational phase of the campaign. The operation involves Boeing E-3 Sentry from RAF Waddington, VC-10 tanker aircraft from RAF Brize Norton and Typhoon fast jets from 3(F) Sqn operating from RAF Northolt, the first time RAF fighters have been stationed at the West London base since the Second World War. Supporting the air defence role over London will be RAF Pumas based at the TA Centre at Ilford, Fleet Air Arm Sea Kings at Northolt, and Army Air Corps and four FAA Lynxes operating from HMS Ocean, which will be moored on the Thames. Airborne early warning security will be supplemented by Type 101 ground-based radar from 1 Air Control Centre, deployed to Kent, together with three-man Army teams positioned around London, equipped with binoculars.
The Ministry of Defence distributed leaflets to residents of the Lexington building in Bow, announcing that a missile system was to be stationed on top of the water tower. This caused concern to some residents. The Ministry said that probably would use Starstreak missiles and that site evaluations had taken place, but that no final decision had taken place.
The Ministry of Defence (MoD) will take control of the entire Airspace for the
South-East of the UK for the duration of the 4wks, this being the first time this has been done since World War II. The MoD will have authorization over the National Air Traffic Services (Nats) & more importantly it’s employees.
Anything involving the MoD always includes The Official Secrets Act of 1989, therefore it’s more than likely that all non-military staff would have been made to sign this legal document preventing them from detailing any concerns to the Media / British public.
BBC News even did a strange piece around the procedures in place by the MoD should a hijacked commercial plane attempt to do a Kamikaze into the Olympic Stadium; it was noted that as soon any unauthorized aircraft would enter the no-fly zone it would be engaged by Fighter Jets within 1miunte.
After what occurred in New York City on September 11th 2001, it’s perfectly understandable to have No-Fly Zones over major Public Events / locations of high importance yet what got my attention was the introduction of Surface-to-Air Missiles?
Channel 4 news report “if missles are fired, take cover and cross your fingers”
Missiles & Warships in London: UK Gears Up for Olympics or War?
The capasity for the Olympic games stadium is around 80,000 people, ground security alone will be around 60% of that with around,
23,000 security guards (all G4s employies)
7,500 troops inside
6,000 troops outside
12,000 police.
Sonic Weapon Deployed for Olympics
A device that can be used as a sonic weapon will be deployed in London for the Olympics.
The American-built long-range acoustic device (LRad) can be used both as a high-powered loud speaker and to emit an ear-piercing beam of sound.
The Ministry of Defence confirmed that it was among a “broad range of assets” being used by the Armed Forces to provide security during the Games.
A spokesman said it would be used primarily in “loud hailer mode” in order to issue verbal warnings to any boats on the River Thames that were causing concern.
However, the LRad can emit a highly focused beam of sound at a pain-inducing 150 decibels (dB).
In comparison, military jets have a take-off rating of 140 dB while instant perforation of an eardrum can occur at 160 dB.
The US army deployed LRad as a crowd control device during its struggles in post-war Iraq.
More recently, it used a vehicle-mounted system against G20 protesters in Pittsburgh in 2009, driving back US demonstrators with the LRad’s high-pitched sound.
The devices have also been used on cruise liners to ward off Indian Ocean pirate attacks.
Some models are now “man portable” backpacks that can blast alarm warnings at 137 dB, and can be used as land-based loud hailers with a range of 1km.
“As part of the military contribution to the police-led security effort to ensure a safe and secure games, a broad range of assets and equipment is being used by our Armed Forces,” the MoD spokesman said.
“This includes the LRad which will be deployed during the Olympic Games primarily to be used in the loud hailer mode as part of the measures to achieve a maritime stop on the Thames.”
“The UK government is rounding on protesters ahead of this summer’s Olympics, issuing the first court order to ban an Occupy activist from the event. The unprecedented security measures for the Games have been branded as over-the-top,” reports RT.
One such banning order was handed out to 29 year-old Simon Moore, who committed the egregious act of protesting against a practice basketball court being built near the Olympic park in East London. He faces a 5-year jail sentence if he ventures “within 100 yards of Olympic venues, homes of participants, officials or spectators and the route of the Olympic torch.”
“I think it’s insane. I think it shows the prevailing state of consciousness in our governments and the world, which is one of fear – fear and control,” Moore told RT’s Laura Smith.
In rounding up potential troublemakers ahead of the games, the British government is drawing inspiration from none other than Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.
In an effort to “clean up” Berlin before the 1936 Olympics, the German Ministry of Interior authorized the chief of the Berlin Police to arrest all undesirables – mainly Gypsies – prior to the Games and have them slung in detention camps. Political enemies were also incarcerated in the camps.
Hitler also used the event to install an early form of CCTV surveillance, but nothing to rival Big Brother’s stranglehold over London which will be put to good use in spotting thought crimes before they happen.
In addition, as Tom Chivers notes, the Olympic torch procession was in fact invented by the Nazis and has nothing to do with ancient Greece. The notorious Olympic rings signal was also created by the Nazis.
Just as in 1936, when the torch procession was met with protests “which were put down with traditional brutality by quaint local security services,” anyone attempting to use the 2012 procession to draw attention to their cause will be similarly treated.
The Olympic games represent little more than an opportunity for the government to showcase its arsenal of draconian technology and stifling security measures which are justified by the threat of terrorism yet in reality are aimed at generating compliance and advancing the police state.
We’re already seeing surface to air missiles placed on top of apartment buildings to ward off Al-Qaeda’s imaginary air force, as well as radiation-firing naked body scanners being put in place for Olympic events.
London 2012 has next to nothing to do with sport and everything to do with the politics of fear – so it’s little surprise that the security preparations surrounding the event are all borrowed from the Nazi template.
G4S
G4S, the worlds leading international security solutions group are providing the security personal for the games. They have recently been unable to produce the full amount of guards for the event therefore the government has had to step in and place an extra 3,500 troops in their place.
However there were claims that the security guards were just cheap labourers who have been unemployed for a long time and need the extra cash. These claims seem to come true once you read these reports.
G4S Olympic security recruitment ‘totally chaotic’
Former police sergeant withdrew application to work at London 2012 due to concerns over employment process and pay
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guardian.co.uk, Thursday 12 July 2012 16.06 BST
Soldiers guard a security checkpoint at an entrance to the London 2012 Olympic park. Photograph: Luke Macgregor/Reuters
A former police sergeant who signed up to work for G4S at the Olympics has told how he withdrew his application over fears the recruitment process was “totally chaotic” and the firm was simply looking for cheap labour.
Robert Brown, who served for 30 years with Kent police, claimed he knew many other retired officers who had decided against working at the Games for the same reasons.
He said he had been given verbal commitments that staff would be paid £14 an hour, but that the contract he received said he would be entitled to £6.05 an hour for working outside the venues, and £8.50 for working inside the stadium.
“It is actually very sad,” Brown said. “I was looking forward to working at this historic event, but it would have been a waste of my time. The public needs to be aware of this.”
Brown has grade one private security qualifications and worked for the Home Office, advising on covert operations, after he left the police.
He said he applied to G4S when the adverts started to appear in November last year. But he was not called for interview in Stratford, east London, until February.
“They were trying to process hundreds of people and we had to fill out endless forms. It was totally chaotic and it was obvious to me that this was being done too quickly and too late,” Brown said.
The first training day involved presentations on how to be polite to members of the public, and follow-up training on how to pat people down.
“The instructors had been given a script that they had to stick to, and if you asked a question, they would not be able to give you an answer. The training was very basic and minimal. Having undergone their training I realised that they only wanted cheap labour.
“My great worry was this was being done before the vetting process had been completed.”
Brown withdrew his application before the third training instalment after receiving the contract about pay.
“At the beginning of the process we were told we could get expenses and some kind of accommodation for people who would be travelling to venues,” he said. “But then I was told there would be no expenses paid and no accommodation either. They were not guaranteeing work over a specific period and the pay was poor. I decided to wash my hands of it. It became obvious that it was becoming a farce.”
After attending the first training session, Brown asked whether he could apply to be a trainer. “But when I went to the interview it was obvious by the questions they were asking that they thought I was over-qualified, so I didn’t get it.
“It has been an awful experience. In my view, they should have started recruiting a year ago to get the numbers they needed. I am 63 years old and I regarded this as a unique chance to get involved in an historic event. It’s an awful situation.”
G4S said its security training was graded and that it lasted from four to 14 days, depending on the role.
“In this case, he may have pulled out before the training had been completed,” a spokesman said.
G4S insisted it would pay a minimum of £8.50 an hour during the Games
Whisleblower, Ben Fellows. http://vimeo.com/45606269#
According to the BBC, former retired British Army infantry commander Colonel Richard Kemp said the timing of the announcement was “bizarre”.
It does not seem bizarre to the UK Column, however, as it was clear from our conversations with G4S over the last couple of weeks that they were more concerned about keeping Ben Fellows’ allegations quiet than the allegations themselves. G4S’ media team claimed that his allegations were 99% false, and that the UK Column should be very careful about publicising them.
To date however, and despite numerous telephone calls, G4s have refused to make any formal comment about Fellows’ allegations, and have so far not taken up our offer to join us on UK Column Live for a right of reply.
Ben Fellows’ is an investigative journalist specialising in undercover work. His CV includes work for the Cook Report. He went undercover to persue his “Olympic dream” as G4S likes to call it, to become a member of the security team. However, he soon discovered a host of failings in the training. His allegation include:
Security officers only receive 4 days training in total
Uniforms going missing
Photos takes on secure areas
Foreign troops deployed through Woolwich Baracks
Security scanners turned off at peak times
No proper training for x-ray scanners
Experienced and trained ex-military personnel not made team leaders, preferring to give the role to inexperienced trainees
No training given in the evacuation procedure for the stadium, but were told that they will be involved in the evacuation of London
The G4S contract is worth £535 million.
This Ben Fellow’s, a so called whisleblower was going to work at the games providing security. His intension was that he wanted to see what G4S was like as a company to work for and the further he dived into the rabbit hole, the more shocking the evidence he found out G4S’s security training wasn’t what it seems.
In an interview with Radio Host, Alex Jones at InfoWars and Prisonplant, at the time under a different name ‘Lee Hasledean’ talks about his events with the training. Near the end of the interview he talks about how the people training him said that they are preparing them all for a spectacular event AFTER the games. He questioned this and got the response that the Olympics will be something for the whole world to remember and will be a pinnacle moment in London’s history. He has also heard from over sources that London could be in a total lockdown and central London will be evacuated.
The one issue is with Ben Fellow’s is I’m not sure how credible his word is on the matter because we only really have his word and nothing else, if he was truely being a reporter then wouldn’t you make sure you have an audio recording of the conversations?
But considering as G4S couldn’t employ enough people for the games anyway it does seem likely that they have just let anyone through the door to make the numbers up.
One question that come to mind when I saw this news was, if G4S couldn’t get enough of the security trained in time, what types of people have they employed in the first place?
One thing is clear though, London is going to be the most securitized event in Britain’s, I would even say, the worlds history. They have spent an enormous amount of money into the security and the controversy of the whole subject has been at the forefront of the mainstream media. If anyone wanted to even think about setting off a bomb, they would be taken down with in seconds. It seems as though the 11 mile Olympic park is a facility that could be turned into a concentration camp with controlling who goes in and who goes out. With cameras, weapons and all eyes watching the game and personal on the ground, if there is anything that happens in the two whole months of the games, it has to be a false flag event.
Broadening Your Horizons 